"Yes, [I went to school in Morenci] and I finished high school. Yes, I finished school. I liked school very much. [I liked to study] everything. They taught us mathematics, algebra, and English. [I learned English] when I went to school. At home, we always spoke Spanish. One time I asked a teacher, Teresa Palesio, she was Spanish, “Why do you not speak to us in Spanish?” She said, “You come to study English and it is not beneficial for you to speak Spanish.” She was from Clifton, she was the daughter of Fermin Palesio. She had a sister. She married a friend of mine, Hubert Watson. He spoke perfect Spanish. I do not remember how I became close with him. For their honeymoon they went to Peru and there they lived. He sold me a car. “With what will I pay you?” It was during the Depression. “I do not have any thing to pay you with.” “You will pay me,” he told me. They left and he died there. [She was] a very good girl.

I went for a year to Arizona State Teachers College that is now Northern Arizona University. They gave me a scholarship for there. Because of my girlfriend, I did not finish. She told me one day at a dance, “You finish college and I will never speak to you again.” (Laughs.) That is how she was, poor girl! I was of the class of ’39. No, [not many Mexicans went to college]. A classmate of mine, Raul Castro, was governor here of the state of Arizona. We were classmates and there was another young man, Ham, we called him. They were from Mexico. This Raul ascended very high, he was governor of Arizona, ambassador to Argentina, and he has a very good record.

It became very hard for me [in college] but it is not a good excuse because Castro also struggled very much. I joined the, what was it called? What is the name? I went to earn money. What was it called? It is military. No, [not ROTC or CC Camps]. I was in those earler."