"I went to Morenci schools. I'm gonna tell you, I hated school. I don't remember why. I remember I used to go to school and before my mother knew it, I was standing there by her and she said, "Didn't you go to school?" "No, they went and closed the door on me so I came home because they didn't want me there." Some of them [teachers] were okay. But I don't remember too much about school. [I got] to the eighth grade. Between me and Mr. Todd we attended [I don't know] how many years of school [up] to the eighth grade. (laughs) Really, it's a block.

When I was going to school during the Depression, they had about three grades because there were just a few people. They divided them into groups and a teacher took care of all of us. Until later, after the Depression, when the open pit opened, there was some Anglos and Mexicans. I was with the Mexicans. They didn't like me. The Mexicans didn't like me so they put me with the Anglos. The Mexicans were a bunch of bullies, the ones that were in my grade. It was about the sixth grade and they were bullies all that bunch of Mexican kids. I talked to them <Anglos> and later on I didn't care too much for school. I never have cared for school. I taught myself how to read. I taught myself how to do anything that I know.

The only thing I used to like was drawing and recess and music. Oh, I used to like to go to music. They [parents] wanted me to graduate. They wanted me to keep on going to school. They were not cruel to me, my mother, my dad, forcing me to go to school because I went and quit and went and got a job in the PD Store.

Later years, many later years, I went to try to get my GED but I got in trouble with this darn dame. She was a plain no good dame and she said, "I'm gonna beat the shit out of you" to another lady. Her name was Josie too. I told her, "She didn't do nothing wrong to you." So she said, "Well, I'm gonna beat the shit out of you too." I was already a grown up a woman, married already. I blocked all my youth.

I think that if I would have had an education or something that I knew be intelligent enough, I would be fighting for every right. One time Carlitos <her son> came from college and he was demonstrating against the Vietnam War. They were gonna put us in jail, me and Carlos. That happened in Duncan. Right there in front of the Catholic Church, we were passing leaflets about the Vietnam War so one of them people went and reported us to the father [priest]. The father come and told us he's gonna call the sheriff. Carlitos says, "We're not doing nothing wrong. This is a free country and this church belongs to the people." So the sheriff told them, "I cannot take them to jail. They're not doing nothing wrong." I used to go demonstrating with Carlitos in Phoenix. One time I went demonstrating and Mr. Todd didn't know I went. I would never tell him everything. [We went with] a very good friend of Carlos."